404 Not Found | C•R•A•T https://toledoforaviation.com Citizens for Responsible Aviation in Toledo Thu, 15 Oct 2020 20:25:55 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.5.14 Meeting Notes: October 13, 2020 https://toledoforaviation.com/meeting-notes-october-13-2020/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=meeting-notes-october-13-2020 Tue, 13 Oct 2020 18:01:32 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=110
Citizens for Responsible Aviation in Toledo (CRAT)
NOTES for October 13, 2020.  15 people attended.
1. Joh Jones and Michelle McGeoghegan attended the Board of County Commissions Meeting Monday October 12, 2020.  Here are Joh’s notes from that meeting concerning Ordinance 1322 Establishing a Division of Airports and Rules and Regulations:
• Per Josh Metcalf, Director of Public Works, there has always been an Airport Division but it was not until January 2019 that it was transferred to LC Public Works
• The Airport manager for Toledo (John Roe) is a paid ¾ time position and is responsible for day to day operations at the Toledo airport
• No new staff are being added to the Airport Division 
• Lewis County Airports had never had formal rules and regulations.   Now they will be identified for compliance by the Airport Manager and enforcement will be through the Prosecutor’s office
• New Rules and regulations will bring the LC airports into line with FAA requirements
• Airport Master Plan was last updated in 2013/14 and new plan is to be completed by 2022. • County staff stated that the issues addressed by the new ordinance had been identified for a long time and were unrelated and separate issues from the Toledo airport listed with WSDOT for potential expansion.
2. Joh also contacted Puget Sound Energy about their underground water line running under the airport out to the Cowlitz River and was informed that PSE operations would not affect the airport and the airport expansion would not affect them.  They were unaware of any proposed airport expansion.
3. Cowlitz Tribal members were invited to attend tonight’s CRAT meeting.
4. After much discussion, the CRAT group formulated a Mission Statement:
Citizens for Responsible Aviation in Toledo advocates the development of a self-sufficient airport while maintaining the current 2020 airport runway footprint.
5. The group also formulated a Vision Statement:
Our vision for the South Lewis County Airport is to protect our natural rural environment by partnering with the County on future airport related decisions affecting citizens and communities throughout our region.
6. THIS IS IMPORTANT.  Everyone is encouraged to contact the Commercial Aviation Coordinating Commission (CACC) to tell them that you are not interested in having the South Lewis County (Toledo) Airport become a regional airport, a cargo airport, “SeaTac 2” or any other expansion idea they may have in mind.  Tell CACC before their October 21st meeting.
cacc@wsdot.wa.gov  or  (360) 810-0902  Christina Crea, communications person
7. The next meeting of CRAT will be Tuesday, October 27 at 6 pm at Steamboat Landing.  Bring a friend.
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Oct 6, 2020 Pre-notes https://toledoforaviation.com/oct-6-2020-pre-notes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=oct-6-2020-pre-notes Thu, 01 Oct 2020 18:14:06 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=81

Prepared by Joh Jones

1. The next meeting of CRAT will be Tuesday, October 6 at 6 pm at Steamboat Landing.  Bring a friend.

2. Please read through this info from Joh Jones:

 This proposed ordinance is also on the BOCC website under Legal Notices under Rules and Regulations for LC Airports Ord # 1322.
 
The Business Meeting during which the hearing will take place is set for 10 a.m. Monday, Oct. 12, 2020. The hearing will take place in the Commissioners’ Hearing Room on the second floor of the old historic courthouse at 351 N.W. North Street in Chehalis. Those interested in providing testimony can do so verbally during the hearing or in writing in advance of the meeting.

 

Individuals can attend in person or virtually. Log-in details for joining online or by phone via Zoom will be listed at the bottom of the agenda at http://lewiscountywa.gov/calendar/agendas-calendar. (Agendas are posted at least 24 hours in advance of any official meeting. We generally post the agendas for the following week’s meetings by close of business the preceding Friday, so this one should be available online by 5 p.m. Oct. 9.) Due to COVID-19 restrictions, we are limited to the number of in-person attendees. If we were to exceed our limit, we would provide a room from which the overflow attendees could attend via Zoom.

 

A current draft of the proposed ordinance can be found here: https://packetwriter.lewiscountywa.gov/proposal/603/. In case there were to be any changes, the most up-to-date version of the proposed ordinance will be hyperlinked on the Oct. 12 Business Meeting agenda.
 
A legal notice was published in the Chronicle and Michelle McGeoghan brought it to our attention.
Thanks, Joh

NOTICE OF HEARING

NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Board of County Commissioners, Lewis County, Washington (BOCC), will hold a hearing on Ordinance 1322, proposed creation of an Airports Division within the Department of Public Works and promulgation of Rules and Regulations for the Lewis County Airports. The hearing will take place on October 12, 2020, at or after 10 a.m., in the Commissioners’ Hearing Room on the 2nd floor of the Historic Courthouse at 351 N.W. North Street in Chehalis, Washington, when and where all persons may appear and be heard regarding approving the Rules and Regulations. Please look at the Commissioners’ hearing schedule at https://lewiscountywa.gov/offices/commissioners/agendas-calendar/ as October 12, 2020, approaches for updated details.

 

The proposal may be viewed on the BOCC’s website and can be obtained in writing from the Lewis County Prosecuting Attorney’s Office or Clerk of the Board prior to the hearing in person or by phone at 360-740-1240 or 360-740-1120.  Written comments may be submitted to the BOCC prior to or during said hearing.

 

This meeting site is barrier free. People needing special assistance or accommodations should contact the Clerk of the Board by phone at 360-740-1419 at least 72 hours in advance of the meeting.

 

Dated: September 21, 2020

 

 

 

____________________________________

Rieva Lester

Clerk of the Lewis County Board

of County Commissioners

 

 

Publish:  The Chronicle September 22 and 29, 2020

 

 

 

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ORDINANCE XXXX 

BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS 

OF LEWIS COUNTY, WASHINGTON 

AN ORDINANCE OF THE COUNTY OF LEWIS, ESTABLISHING ) ORD. XXXX 

A DIVISION OF AIRPORTS AND ADDING A CHAPTER 12.70 ) 

OF THE LEWIS COUNTY CODE ) 

WHEREAS, Lewis County is the owner and operator of Ed Carlson Memorial Field/SouthLewis County Airport, and the Packwood Airport (Lewis County Airports); and 

WHEREAS, the Lewis County Board of County Commissioners (BOCC) wishes to create a Division of Airports and to direct the promulgation of rules and regulations applicable to the Lewis County Airports; and 

WHEREAS, the BOCC has reviewed the below proposed ordinance at an open public hearing and it appearing to be in the best public interest; 

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the BOCC hereby adopts the following code provisions and amendments as follows: 

1. Lewis County hereby adds an additional Chapter 12.70 of the Lewis County Code as shown below: 

12.70.010 Division created. 

There shall be, and the Board of County Commissioners does hereby create and establish, a division within the Department of Public Works to be known as the Airports Division. 

12.70.020 Positions. 

Positions within the Airports Division shall consist of the Airports Manager and such other staff as may be established and authorized in the county’s annual budget. 

12.70.030 Powers and duties of Airports Manager. 

The powers and duties of the Airports Manager shall be to perform any and all duties which heretofore have been assigned to the Airports Manager; including scheduling, managing and overseeing the airports; administering the leases at the airports; and such other related functions and duties as may be assigned by the Director of Public Works. 

12.70.040 Airports rules and regulations. 

The Director of Public Works shall adopt, and from time to time shall review and revise, rules and regulations applicable to all airports owned and operated by Lewis County. A copy of the Lewis County Airports Rules and Regulations shall be placed on file with the Public Works Department and may be 

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reviewed during normal business hours. A copy of the rules and regulations shall also be posted at each airport owned and operated by Lewis County. 

12.70.050 Violation is civil infraction. 

Violation of the rules and regulations promulgated under this chapter shall be a civil infraction and the provisions of Lewis County Code Section 1.20.040 shall be applicable. 

12.70.060 Effective date. 

The effective date of the ordinance codified in this chapter shall be the first day of November, 2020. 

AND FURTHERMORE, the code reviser may make such editorial changes to the online code as are appropriate in light of its passage. 

PASSED IN REGULAR SESSION THIS ______ DAY OF ___________, 2020, following a public hearing publicized in the paper of record on XXXXXXXXXXXX, 2020. APPROVED AS TO FORM: 

Jonathan Meyer, Prosecuting Attorney 

BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS 

LEWIS COUNTY, WASHINGTON 

By: Kevin A. McDowell, Deputy Prosecutor 

Gary Stamper, Chair 

ATTEST: 

Edna J. Fund, Vice Chair 

Rieva Lester, Clerk of the Board 

Robert C. Jackson, Commissioner

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Airport Map Overlays https://toledoforaviation.com/airport-map-overlays/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=airport-map-overlays Sat, 19 Sep 2020 18:08:13 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=75

Peter Sonne provided this information

I put together some overlays using Google Maps using identical scales to give an overview of what a future airport might look like.  What is not shown is the other infrastructure (hotels, gas stations, car rental, restaurants, parking, mass transit) that would also need to be developed, most likely in the space between I-5 and the airport.  I did a couple takes with different runway orientation.

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Proposed SeaTac Expansion for the Toledo Airport https://toledoforaviation.com/proposed-seatac-expansion-for-the-toledo-airport/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=proposed-seatac-expansion-for-the-toledo-airport Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:57:56 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=71

This is a word document from Mike Eastridge

To our Toledo and surrounding area residents,

As many know, the Washington State Department of Transportation (WSDOT) has started the process of identifying a location to build a potential large Sea-Tac sized airport which equates to three runways, each being 9,000 feet long, approximately, which would allow international and domestic reach that is equivalent to what Sea-Tac is now providing.  Our elected Lewis County Board of Commissioners unanimously expressed interest in working with the WSDOT to expand Toledo’s airport for this purpose.

The Citizens for Responsible Aviation in Toledo committee has begun research on the impact to our communities if Toledo is selected for this expansion.  There are various concerns expressed by our residents, such as:

Noise sleep disturbance, Infrucsture vibration, Crime, Aircraft counts, Effects on wildlife domestic pets, Traffic congestion (ground), Depressed property values, Noise Complaints and Air pollution.  All though the statics below would not be immediately recognized day one, it has the potential to impact our future generations.

The data below was obtained from two sources, although confirmation has not been confirmed:

Sea-Tac Airport Effects Study conducted in February 2020 by the Port of Seattle

Web site: https://www.commerce.wa.gov/serving-communities/growth-management/growth-management-topics/sea-tac-airport-impact-study/

Neighborhood Scout (Crime)

Web site: https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wa/seatac/crime

Noise sleep disturbance:

Undisturbed sleep is a vital function necessary for daytime alertness, quality of life and health.  There is ample evidence that chronic disturbance or curtailed sleep is associated with adverse health effects such as obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure.  Aircraft noise is intermittent, and whether or not aircraft noise disturbs sleep is dependent on factors such a sleep depth and noise sensitivity, as well as and the number and acoustical properties of the SEL event(s).   Noise sensitivity plays an important part in sleep disturbance.  Research has shown that the elderly, children, shift-workers and those in Ill health are particularly vulnerable to be disturbed (Muzet 2007).  Younger children and shift-workers tend to sleep during daytime hours when there are higher air traffic volumes.

Infrucsture Vibration Damage:

These studies have shown that jet engines create enough low frequency noise energy to induce wall and floor vibration and rattling of windows and objects, particularly to the sides of the runway take-off/departure zones in proximity to airports.    Generally, the start of take-off rolls, acceleration down a runway, and thrust reversal generate the highest levels of LFN.  Measurements of noise to the sides of the take-off roll show that the larger the aircraft the higher the LFN levels, which decrease as the aircraft moves down the runway.  Measurements during thrust reversal do not show the same trend with airplane size.

Crime:

To level set, the safest areas are rated at 100, Sea-Tac is currently rated at 4 (safer than 4% of U.S. Cities).  The higher chart below, show Sea-Tac’s current crime rate, which is much higher than major non-airport locations. These numbers represent murder, rape robbery and assault.

SEATAC ANNUAL CRIMES 

VIOLENT

PROPERTY

TOTAL

Number of Crimes

143

1,402

1,545

Crime Rate
(per 1,000 residents)

4.89

47.95

52.84

 

Aircraft Counts:

Air carrier jet aircraft create the loudest noise events as compared to general aviation or air taxi service.  The 2019 total operations figure means that on average there was approximately 1,131 operations per day or 47 per hour.  Since air traffic is heavier during the day, there is a steady occurrence of overflights, particularly during daylight hours.  This can vary dramatically depending on the time of day, time of week, etc.  however, each operation represents an individual SEL noise event, which have increased by 73% from 1997 to 2019.

Effects on Wildlife Domestic Pets:

Aircraft noise also has an effect on wild animals and domestic pets.  Wildlife species differ greatly in their responses to noise.    Species have adapted to fill certain ecological niches and their hearing usually reflects their role.  They rely on hearing to communicate with other members of their species, find food and avoid predators.  Noise from aircraft can impact their ability to carry out these necessary survival skills.    Both wildlife and domestic pets that are exposed to high sound levels can experience stress, hypertension and other nervous disorders similar to humans.

 

Traffic Congestion (Ground):

Although, we have not found a study on this topic, we believe it’s a real concern within our community and surrounding areas.   Having a Sea-Tac airport will certainty impact our ability to maneuver, as we do today.

Depressed Property Values:

Aviation noise has an indirect effect on property values because noise is a factor considered during the buyer/seller negotiations on the price of a property located near an airport.  Several studies of aviation noise on property values found impacts ranging from substantial negative impacts to minimal effect.

Noise Complaints:

The number of complaints dramatically increased from 3,571 in 1997 to 400,000 in 2019.

Air pollution:

Although, we have not found any reports on air pollution, you may want to consider that that the air pollution distributed from jet engines would have some type of impact on our land and crops.

Our committee encourages you to please contact your elected Lewis County Commissioners to express your concern, if you agree.

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Next Question https://toledoforaviation.com/next-question/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=next-question https://toledoforaviation.com/next-question/#comments Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:29:07 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=94

Created by Rain Amrais

Are we looking for how we want TDO to develop with all the resources the state/fed/county can put in to it, or are we looking for things we can bring in and find the funding ourselves without upgrading the infrastructure?

To be honest, Chehalis-Centralia is a far better development site, if only they hadn’t put it in a flood prone area.  If TDO is going to develop, I don’t think it’s worth worrying whether we can pull groups from them or Packwood, we’ll have others forming up around our airport.  We’re more likely to pull in enthusiasts from more crowded airspace like Puget Sound or Portland.

But here’s the thing- by what I can see, if we want to pull in anything significant beyond general aviation, our runway is too short.  Mercury Jets also run turboprops which don’t need as much runway.  At less than 5000’ we really aren’t going to see many private style jets.

To have a wildfire base, even to get smaller tankers in I don’t think we can be under 6000’ on the runway.  The other thing is, tankers often run over weight, meaning they’ll tear up our runway if it’s not built right.

Also, if we want air taxi or charter services based here- if they’re serious, they probably want to run jets, and we need more runway.

Having bigger outfits than General Aviation provides means a better chance of supporting aircraft mechanic services.  Regulations are pretty tight regarding maintenance schedules even on small planes, and having mechanic services could pull in small aircraft business from busier areas that don’t have the little guys as a priority.  Convenience could mean the little guys would want to keep their planes here -granted we need more hangars.

An aviation school, to be more than small peanuts, also needs a longer runway if they’re going to teach more than general aviation.  You have to get hours on your plane type, it’s not just one-and-done on a pilots license.  What we’ve got now is suited to the most basic beginner level.

I think a wildfire base is a good idea.  We might also encourage a training center for that, and smokejumpers.  But- runway.

We could focus on everything helicopter.  That wouldn’t be disadvantaged by a short runway.

If we don’t improve the runway I think we need to focus on bringing as much general aviation in as we can along with what businesses can cope with the runway.

On the bright side, even if we only have lots of enthusiasts out here doing their hobby flying, they’re still going to want to eat in restaurants and sleep under roofs.

RA

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Quick Look at TDO possibilities https://toledoforaviation.com/quick-look-at-tdo-possibilities/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=quick-look-at-tdo-possibilities https://toledoforaviation.com/quick-look-at-tdo-possibilities/#comments Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:23:25 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=89

Created by Rain Amrais

Toledo Airport Potential Uses

One of the biggest limiters is the runway, both length and how much weight it can take.  Upgrading to something that can take a commercial size jet means both lengthening and strengthening the whole length- which also opens the door to increasing amounts of large jet traffic over time, and would be expensive.  Making it fit for executive or small jets still likely means lengthening.

 

The other thing TDO would really need to support air businesses is aircraft maintenance and overhaul services. This is actually a big thing that could draw customers from all over the region.  If our runway can only take small planes though, that would limit the business to that size of aircraft.

 

CARGO:

Smaller air cargo companies will not be as viable from TDO because of the distance to their customer base.  Plus, most of them convert old passenger jets for cargo use, meaning the runway is a limiter.

 

However, if there was a local product worth enough, cargo could happen on a smaller scale.

For example: if Lewis County had a Cattlemen’s Association dedicated to producing the highest grade Wagyu beef, and an abattoir devoted to handling it at the required standard, that’s a product of such high value it would be worth flying it to Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA, and possibly points east if demand was there.  The restaurants or other clients that could afford that product are not likely to be much affected by economic downturns.  And, once you have a reason like highest grade Wagyu, other things that crowd likes, like organic produce, can hitch a ride.  An operation on that scale wouldn’t likely require larger planes.  Also, as a side benefit, the abbatoir could process other exotic meats like buffalo, elk, ostrich for the same market, along with being able to process less expensive beef or game for local population.

 

Another possibility is shipping pets or livestock.  I don’t think you can get a racehorse or other high performance horse in anything smaller than a commercial jet, but for smaller animals TDO could serve as a home base perhaps, working like an air taxi service.

 

AIR TAXI:

TDO is a decent place to set up shop being between Seattle and Portland, again somewhat limited by the runway if executive jets can’t use it.  Charter services are something that people who can afford it will still afford it in difficult times.  In fact, such people if they had to scale back would tend to sell off their private jets and use a charter service more.

 

A service like LifeFlight might also be able to be based at TDO.

 

Operations for both might actually be simplified by not being based at a large airport.

 

STATE WILDFIRE SERVICE:

The tankers that drop fire retardant on wildfires are mostly converted from old commercial jets, so runway becomes and issue for anything more than small spotter aircraft.

However, if TDO could handle the planes it would be far better to run them out of a less busy airport than Sea-Tac or Portland.  As far as I’m aware, they operate mostly on the east slope of the Cascades, but recent events suggest having a dedicated base on the West side might be a good idea.  This would be Washington Dept of Natural Resources that runs or contracts out for these services.

 

 

AVIATION SCHOOL:

Would be limited to the kinds of planes that can use TDO’s runway, but is well located in the sense that the local airspace is fairly open unlike the crowding around larger airports.

 

GENERAL AVIATION/ RECREATION FLIGHTS:

Open airspace makes TDO an excellent location for general aviation and recreational flights like skydiving, tours, aerobatics or other small-plane competitions, or gliding.  With sufficient hangar space and maintenance facilities, TDO could be more of a draw for this, and General Aviation is something large airports would love to have out of their hair.  Making TDO more of a draw for this looks like an excellent fit for local use, and if it was established and known for this it would help support an aviation school.

 

Who else might we attract:

 

CIVIL AIR PATROL:

Affiliated with the Air Force.  We do not have a local wing.  Depending on the size and resources of the wing, it operates more like a club that pools resources to support owning and operating a few planes for its members to have access to flying.  Often involved in search and  rescue.  It has a cadet branch that provides a path to a pilot’s license that is also available to high school students, especially ones preparing for an officer track into the Air Force.

 

THE 99’s:

International organization of women pilots originally established by women who flew support in WWII.  A club whose local chapters also pool resources to own and operate a few planes, and which supports women pursuing a pilots license.

 

INTERNATIONAL AEROBATICS CLUB:

Has local chapters involved in aerobatics sport, training and competition.

 

EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION:

Another international organization with local chapters for enthusiasts.

 

SOARING SOCIETY OF AMERICA

Devoted to gliding, training glider pilots, connecting gliders with resources and places to fly, conventions…

 

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Meeting Notes: Sept 15, 2020 https://toledoforaviation.com/meeting-notes-sept-15-2020/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=meeting-notes-sept-15-2020 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:36:32 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=56
Citizens for Responsible Aviation in Toledo
NOTES for Sept. 15, 2020;  6 pm at Steamboat Landing, Toledo
1. Introductions. (20 people in attendance)
2. Areas of Focus
a. We need to become knowledgable “experts”
• Crime Research: Mike Eastridge
• Noise limitations (hours and/or dB): Mike Morgan
• Environmental Impact:
• Infrastructure Impact:
• Jobs:
• Politics:
b. Importance of being PRO-development
• Contributions to local community
• Limit types of planes;  Executive jets
• Aviation school
• Limited flight paths, departure and arrival times
• Driverless terminal
• Livable wages for employees and contractors
3. Group Name
CUTA = Citizens United for Toledo Airport  
TDO•N’T Expand
SOAR = Save Our Airport Responsibly  
KOTAS = Keep Our Toledo Airport Small
CRAT = Citizens for Responsible Aviation in Toledo
5. Facebook Admins:  Cindy Samco & Peter Sonne
7. Next Meeting: Tuesday, October 6, 6pm, Steamboat Landing

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Contact List https://toledoforaviation.com/contact-list/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=contact-list Tue, 15 Sep 2020 17:31:22 +0000 http://toledoforaviation.com/?p=52

Name

Email

Phone

Eric Hayes

ejh237@gmail.com

(503) 577-2900

Di Morgan

di@morganartscentre.com

(360) 864-4342

Jamie Cummings

jamie.cummings.toledo@gmail.com

(608) 308-1602

Mike Morgan

mike@morganartscentre.com

(360) 480-3092

Brian Dennis

brianscottdennis15@gmail.com

(310) 741-1965

Joh Jones

joh200@msn.com

(360) 864-8789

Bob & Marlene Hampton

m.hampton@q.com

(360) 481-0138

Rain Amrais

ramrais@icloud.com

(503) 502-0479

Mike Eastridge

cowboysunny@hotmail.com

(360) 907-6789

Jody Eastridge

cowboysunny@hotmail.com

(360) 606-5352

Ronda Sandoval

rondasandy73@gmail.com

(360) 266-7954

Peter Sonne

psonne@frontier.com

(360) 804-8979

Michele McGeoghegan

mcg450@toledotel.com

(360) 864-8509

Pat Owen

patowen107@gmail.com

(360) 561-5974

Chris Rust

psychlist57@gmail.com

 

Sheila Richardson

srichardson8492@gmail.com

 

Steve Berch

swberch@yahoo.com

(510) 364-2576

Sarah Landrum

sarahkoe@gmail.com

(504) 250-3848

Bill & Pat Caldwell

caldwell@toledotel.com

 

Cindy Samco

cindysamco@gmail.com

(503) 706-6543

Burton Stone

 

(360) 864-4263

Ken & Joan Norberg

norberg332@hotmail.com   

(360) 864-6302

John & Penny Novak

 john@theharborgrouprealty.com

(360) 349-8281

 

 novakpenny@gmail.com   

 

juliezander@gmail.com
dawiltbank1510@gmail.com

 

papabl@msn.com
edpav8r@yahoo.com
mel@toledotel.com

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